Dive into the uncomfortable truths of money, sex, & death with Eddie Reece and Bill Courtright as they talk about shame, legacy, and open conversations on life. They challenge conventional views on mental and emotional health, exploring how shame shapes our actions and views on legacy. The conversation delves into why these crucial topics are often avoided, highlighting the societal discomfort around money, sex, and death. Eddie and Bill get personal, sharing their own stories and insights, and make a powerful case for open dialogue and vulnerability as the keys to navigating life’s messy realities and forging deeper connections – with ourselves and others.
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Show Stoppers – Money, Sex, & Death
Eddie and I were just talking off-air, as we often do, and we talked about how to kill the mood at a cocktail party. As we’re talking about cocktail parties and holiday gatherings and what divides us, Eddie said to me how you can crush the mood at a cocktail party. There are three topics that are legit showstoppers, and they are money and finance, sex, and death.
I found that incredibly compelling. Eddie’s going to share with us why those three topics tend to crush the vibe, stop the program, and cause some awkward silences on tap or on cue. The reality is, there’s some commonality through there that we’ll talk about. I’m a few years younger than Eddie, and I’m graduating into a period of my life where I consider myself legacy-minded.
Legacy was not a term that I was readily faced with in my 20s or 30s, but as I got into my 40s and now my 50s, I hear that word a lot with my peer group. It’s this idea that we’re becoming more cognizant of our impact, our story, what people view us as, and the value or lack of value that we may have. What did we do well? How did we contribute? What are we known for? I find it compelling.
As a father of two boys and a husband, I consider my behavior as I raise boys, and I consider what people would say about me if I wasn’t around. Legacy, for me, is a lot about what I’m going to do with the time I have left. I’m going to be completely transparent. I don’t think about mortality or death in the conversation of legacy, which probably says something about me. Maybe my lack of willingness or ability to even recognize it.
Understanding Mortality And Death: Navigating Awkward Conversations
I am aware of the work I have left to do and the good I might be able to impart on my community and my family. As it pertains to the awkwardness, the uncomfortable silence, the unanimous desire to not discuss the three topics that I mentioned at the top of the episode, specifically, let’s dive into mortality, death, and legacy. Is the way I feel about this uncommon? I know we don’t use the word normal around here.
Not at all. Normal is, you’re messed up. Normal in a sick society is sick and not everybody’s sick. Normal in this culture, when it comes to mental and emotional health, is not really good. My clients sometimes go, “She’ll be normal.” I go, “You are. That’s why you’re on my couch. I want to make you abnormal.” You threw the word legacy, and for some reason, I heard it differently. I tend to think of something that will last pretty much forever.
Your legacy is not going to last forever. At some point, certainly probably 100 years from now, nobody’s going to have any knowledge that either one of us ever even existed. If you’re concerned about your legacy, I wouldn’t be. It’s not going to last. Be more concerned about what you’re doing now, how you’re behaving now, how you’re treating people now, and not how somebody’s going to view you down the road because they’re not.
I tell you what, it is a driver of behavior. Certainly, in my opinion, it’s a driver of, hopefully, positive behavior.
I don’t know. Now that I’m thinking about it in the way I just mentioned it, it’s like, “I want to do all this to leave a good legacy.” Why would you care what anybody is thinking about you or saying about you after you’re dead? Your energy is better spent doing things in a way that people will be saying, thinking, or talking about you today and tomorrow.
I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive but you’re right.
I do because again, they’re not going to be talking about you.
You say that as a man without kids. I hope my kids are talking to my grandkids about me. “You should have met Grandpa.” “What a guy.”
You’re somebody’s grandson. Do you know anything about your great-grandfather’s father?
No.
Do you know that much about your great-grandfather?
No.
Tell me one generation, and boom.
Even if it’s figurative, ethereal, or aspirational, all of which could be true. In the green room, you talked about something that was quite compelling, which is that what drives behavior is fairly consistent. How we frame it may change. I choose to frame it as, “What are my kids going to say about me when I’m gone?” which makes me feel good. Whether or not that’s bullshit. We could go down that road we have before. The reality is, when people choose to talk about something or not choose to talk about something, or to do something or not choose to do something, what’s the underlying motive?
What drives behavior is fairly consistent. How we frame it may change.
It depends on how much shame people have. The more shame you have, the more motivated you are by your shame. If somebody is worried about how they’re going to be talked about after their death, it’s being motivated more by shame because why would you care?
I don’t know but I will tell you, as someone who’s asked this question or been asked this question a lot in my field, the idea of, what are you known for and what do you want to be known for are real questions.
For now, and the rest of my life. After that, I don’t care. If everybody looked back at me after I was gone and said. What do I care? I’m dead. I don’t care. I should care while I’m alive, while I’m interacting with them, while I’m doing things that may affect them or do affect them. That’s when I want to be concerned, but I don’t even think of it as, “I’m not concerned about what they’re going to think.”
I’m trying to come up with a scenario. If somebody’s talking to me and they’re saying they’re doing something or going to do something that I think is not going to be a good idea. I’m going to tell them, “I don’t think that’s a good idea.” I’m not going to have the thought of, “I’m going to say that and then have a concern about what they’re going to think of me, say about me, or talk to somebody else about me.”
I’m going to tell them what I think, and that’s my opinion. I could be wrong, but if I’m saying that. I do this with my clients. They think they’re saying or doing something nice, and I go, “You’re not. You’re being mean.” I’m not sitting there thinking, “That might make them upset with me.” If they get upset with me, that’s great. That’s another place to go in therapy that will be helpful. The less shame you have, the less you are concerned about it. You’re more concerned about being kind, treating people well, and taking good care of folks around you, and saying, “I don’t think that’s a very good idea.” In my mind, that’s taking good care of somebody. Am I making a point at all?
The less shame you have, the less you are concerned about it. You’re more concerned about being kind, treating people well, and taking care of the folks around you.
The Impact Of Mortality Awareness On Decision-Making And Parenting
I think you’re making sense, and I don’t disagree with you. Again, my opinions or view of mortality at the stage of life that I’m at are going to be different than the views of mortality to someone who doesn’t look at the world the way I do. Where I am in my life, in choosing to recognize mortality, I’m not recognizing the end date so much as I’m recognizing the time left as it’s defined.
There’s a definite amount of time, and you say what I’m thinking about the time left. What’s your thought?
The thought is it’s not unlimited, and the decisions that I make now have, in my opinion, more significance as I recognize that definiteness of time. This is me. I do think there’s shame there.
How much time do you think that might be?
It could be an hour, a decade, or three decades.
The fact that it could be any moment now. When I heard this saying, it did come from Nick Saban, “Be where your feet are. Don’t get too far ahead of yourself, son.” There’s some country song that’s something about, “What am I going to do with the next 40 years?” You don’t know that you have 40 years. What are you going to do now in this moment? How are you going to spend your time now? How are you going to spend your next time?
It’s great to make plans. It’s great to think of, “I want to raise my kids well. I want to have them go off into the world as prepared as possible.” That can very much come from shame, which would mean that when people come across my kids, they will think highly of me. If you don’t have any shame, which is impossible. You can certainly get rid of most of your shame around raising your kids. I want to do that. I want to do what I can for them.
It is because I hope they can go out and do some good in the world. I hope they can find ways to enjoy themselves. I hope they are very accepting of the fact that they’re going to get the crap kicked out of them a lot and be very disappointed and turned down. That things, good and bad and a whole lot in between, are going to happen that are completely and unexpected.
I want to prepare them for that so that maybe their lives can be 2 or 3 degrees easier than mine was. That’s about the best I can hope for. I’m not doing that to make myself feel any better. I’m not doing that at all for me. I’m not doing it to have somebody go, “You did a good job raising your kids.” Thanks. The better compliment would be to tell me what they thought of my kids, not me.
Living Like You’re Dying And The Pursuit Of A Better Life
Interestingly, you mentioned The Next 40 Years, which I believe is Tim McGraw. He also wrote a song called Live Like You’re Dying.
That was a big song going through cancer treatment with my first wife.
Again, if we’re just going to be superficial about it and just look at it for what it is, there are health clubs, diets, personal trainers, travel and tourism. There’s a lot of business and a lot of emphasis in this world around your best life, your best self. Don’t put off too long. You never know. To your point earlier, you never know if you’ve got an hour or a decade. This idea of live like you’re dying. What would you do now if you had 30 days left? Why aren’t you doing those? Again, to me, that is mortality. Maybe that’s naive on my part.
Those things you mentioned are marketed primarily to help people believe they will live longer, better, or healthier. Again, it is more motivated by shame. To put some links in here to where we’re talking about shame in more depth in our show. Shame basically says that I’m no good. I can’t let anybody know that so I’ve got to go out and do all these things so that people will look at me and go, “He’s a good person.”
I’m not doing those things because I’m nice, or I want to be helpful, or I even care. I’m doing them to do everything I can to keep the world and, ultimately, myself from seeing my shame. I want these people to tell me I’m a good person so I can hear that enough times so I’ll believe it. The problem is, I will never believe it. It’s never good enough. That’s a real common feeling that people have. It’s never enough. I’m never going to be good enough. I’m just not good enough.
I’ll ask them, “Good enough for what?” “I don’t know.” The answer is, “Good enough to where I won’t feel bad about myself.” There are times you should feel bad about yourself. What you’re trying to do is feel good enough or be good enough to get rid of your shame or at least hide it well enough so that you don’t even see it.
Why We Need To Talk About Money, Sex, And Mortality
What you’ve got to do is you’ve got to bring your shame out in the open, look at it, get to know it well, and share it with somebody who can listen to it. Not try to change it or make you better. We don’t talk about those three subjects I think primarily because of shame. Culturally, it’s not accepted. I was one of the first therapists to promote and talk to clients about their financial lives. That was many years ago.
Once you see your shame, bring it out in the open, get to know it well, and share it with somebody who can listen to it and not try to change it.
Even now, most therapists don’t talk to their clients about their financial lives. That’s a big part of their lives. Why not? How much money are you making? How much debt do you have? How are things going financially? Imagine that cocktail party thing. You just met somebody and you’re chatting. You get to know them and ask, “How much do you make a year? How much have you got in retirement? How many credit card debt are you carrying?”
Why not have those topics out in the open and talk to people about them? It’s because an awful lot of people are struggling a little. I think it would be helpful if we did talk to people about it. Oprah had a little thing at one point about the debt diet. She was advocating forming groups in your neighborhood. Those groups would say, “Here’s my financial situation.”
The people that did that, they talked about virtually everybody they talked to, struggling with credit card debt, or having a hard time paying bills. Things like that. We’re not taught those things. We’re not taught about sex. You have sex education. They show you the anatomy and physiology of it. What about learning what your preferences are and are not? What about learning what people do? Not what porn stars do. What do real people do?
There are videos on my feed of people on a golf course having a fight because I’m a golfer. They’re throwing blows. There are always comments on there about how real fighting never looks like what you see in the movies and on TV. The same thing with sex. Go videotape yourself having sex and watch it and see what you think. You’re going to be like, “That’s what I look like?”
Why don’t we talk about that? Why don’t we have a cocktail party and have conversation about, “I feel like I want to do this with my wife, and I don’t even know how to bring it up.” Somebody goes, “That’s difficult. I went through a similar thing with my wife because I like to do this.” How does that become a normal conversation?
A normal conversation is, “I’ve been thinking. I had a friend of mine die or a relative die. I’ve been thinking, I am going to die.” Think about that. It’s hard to think about. Mortality is a difficult thing to talk about. It’s like getting older and having those conversations. If you’re of a certain age, you have some possessions and you’ve got a few dollars. You need to be doing a will. You need to be doing those sorts of things. Setting up your estate planning. Your partner needs to know what to do with all the bank accounts and where all the money is. That should just be automatic. How many people do that?
Zero. I’m asking myself, why would I never bring up those topics at a cocktail party? To me, it’s not that I wouldn’t like to have the conversation. I think the conversation would be compelling and helpful. There’s a part of me that says, “Not everybody at that cocktail party, in my view, is worthy of that conversation with me.”
True, but that’s not my point. My point is, as a culture, we don’t go there.
The point I was going to make, is there a level of intimacy or is there privacy, or is it all shame?
It’s all shame. From what I know about India, they’re marching their people through the streets when they die. There’s a big ceremony, and they set up the funeral pyre, and people burn. It’s in public. Somebody dies here, and everybody’s sequestered off in some room somewhere. There needs to be a lot more discussion about it. Being much older, I would love to have had a lot of discussions with people about all the different things that go along with aging.
If you Google aging, you’re probably going to get a whole bunch of myths about plastic surgery, exercise, and being healthier. Basically, anything and everything you can do to hold it off. I think of people like Walter Matthau. That face. He would not have been Walter Matthau with some plastic surgery and getting rid of that face. That face was priceless.
I think it’s important to see the life someone’s lived on their face and for you to be able to see that. If you work at healing your shame, you don’t see those wrinkles, those lines, and the bald head and feel less than. That all comes from shame. Again, if we’re having conversations, if we’re talking about it, or if we’re sharing stories, which is what talking about it means.
If you’re sharing stories, if I sat with my parents, or grandparents, or great-grandparents, and they shared stories with me about, “As I aged, here are the things that happened. Here are the things I had to adapt to.” I had some amazing conversations like that with a college professor, Ken Matheny, who taught me in graduate school. Ken was every student’s favorite professor. Ken and I became golf buddies and played golf together for years.
We talked a lot about that. We talked a lot about aging. What I learned from Ken was, from Darwin, it’s adapt or die. He said, “Eddie, aging is simply adapting, and then you adapt again. The changes happen, and people want to fight it. Adapt to it.” That’s the point of why there should be more conversations and why aren’t people talking about it.
Embracing Life’s Shortness: The Courage To Face Mortality
We’re missing these very needed opportunities to learn from each other, to learn from people who have been there, and dealt with it, to have an idea of what’s coming. With mortality, especially, the more fully you know that it could be any moment now, the more it keeps you awake. It keeps you engaged. On the wall up in my office, I have a print from an artist named Brian Andreas, who calls his artwork Story People.
He has drawings of these people, and then there’s a story. The story on this one, I saw it, and I was blown away like I was by a lot of his work. I contacted him and asked him, “Could I use this as my mission statement?” He said, “Sure.” What he says is that most people don’t know that there are angels in the world whose only job is to make sure you don’t get too comfortable, fall asleep, and miss your life.
When you talk about these things, when you share your feelings about them, when you explore those feelings, and you get to the shame that’s there, which was put on you, you weren’t born with that, then you stay awake. You’re more engaged. The movie Little Big Man, it’s a big theme in that movie. I love that movie. That was probably in my late teens, early twenties, or something when I saw it. My first midlife crisis was as a 5 or 6-year-old or something and realizing that everybody does die, including me.
That kept me up for years. It freaked me out. I didn’t know how to handle it. That movie was wonderful about that. The main character, Dustin Hoffman’s, is one of the folks that raised him. He called him Grandfather. Grandfather continually talked about walking with death on your shoulder every day. You should. Another story that people talk to me about, “I want to live as long as I can. I want to be as healthy as I can and maintain my faculties as long as I can.” I say, “Let’s take a look at what that looks like.”
Let’s say you live to be 110. Your head’s clear as a bell. You probably aren’t going to run, but let’s say you can hobble your way around. What’s your life going to be in the last 30 or 40 years of your life? That’s a pretty big chunk of that 110. You’re going to go to a lot of hospitals and visit a lot of people. You’re going to watch countless people you know suffer, sometimes for long periods of time. You’re going to see all these people you know and love die before you because they didn’t get your wish. That’s going to be your life. Is it what you want?
I’ve never had anybody go, “Yeah.” That’s what it would be. Even at my age now, I can name right off the top of my head real quick people that my wife and I know. Five or six of them are struggling. At least one of them is pretty close. That’s your life. Watch your heroes. If you can talk about that and share your concerns, your fears, ask your questions, and get some good answers and advice. Sometimes there aren’t any answers. Make it, as Grandfather said, walking with death on your shoulder every day. You can handle that.
You can go and visit these people and sit with them. Instead of being all bent out of shape about, what do I say? You can sit with them and do what I think is the epitome of kindness, and hold their hand. Without ever saying a word, you can communicate, “I know this is happening. There’s not a damn thing I can do about it. I’m so glad to sit with you at this time.”
I remember my wife’s brother when he died. He was on a hospital bed in the living room in the house he grew up in. There was this big gathering of people. I looked at it. I saw nobody was sitting over there. I’m like, holy shit. I just went and sat down and held his hand. I must have sat there for close to an hour and I was just talking to him. It’s a lovely thing to do.
The humanity.
It is. Without any of the therapy that I’ve had, I have no idea what I would have done in that situation. I probably would have gone to somebody else and said, “Nobody’s sitting with them.”
It takes courage, too. It’s not just therapy. It’s the therapy to develop the courage, self-awareness, the kindness, and the compassion.
There’s no courage involved.
There is. I’m sure there is.
Courage is doing something that you’re afraid of and doing it anyway.
Courage is doing something that you’re afraid of.
There are many of us that are afraid of death.
There’s nothing about sitting with him that was the least bit scary to me. There’s no courage involved at all. It was as easy a thing as there was. The only thought was, nobody’s sitting with him. I went over and sat down. I didn’t even think anything. I just did. It was easy. I was glad to. I was glad to have the time.
It’s unique. It’s courageous, whether you want to admit it or not. I think it is.
It’s not the least bit. It would be courageous for somebody who was scared of that. That’s my whole point here. Go talk to people about it. Go explore any and every aspect of the subject as it pertains to you, your own mortality, the mortality of the people you love, and what that does to you. Get all that stuff out with somebody who can hear it and guide you, in a way that helps you become who you want to be about that. Not to help you become the way you’re supposed to be about that. That’s the mistake that shame does to us.
Go talk to people about death. Explore any and every aspect of the subject as it pertains to you, your mortality, the mortality of the people you love, and what that does to you.
Eddie, I think the message of this entire episode is that, you touched on it, whether you knew it or not, at the end there. To your point, the idea is we’re not likely going to start bringing up money, sex, and death at cocktail parties. It doesn’t change the fact that we would all benefit from having that conversation.
The reality is and what I’ve learned through this episode, and this is just my revelation. It could be totally wrong. What I’ve come to realize right here is, if ever we were filming a commercial for therapy, this episode was it because we started talking about something that’s awkward and uncomfortable, dripped in shame and fear. You may not, but I think there’s fear there.
For most to everybody. People go, “It’s unknown.” I go, “It’s not unknown.” If it were unknown, you could not be afraid of it. What it is, is you have a perceived bad future about it. That’s what you want to explore. Why is that the future of infinite futures? Why is that the one you pick? You use that to scare yourself.
I can’t think of anybody more appropriate to go down that rabbit hole with than a therapist.
A good one that’s dealt with it. There are a few and far between, too.
Again, it’s not just something you’re going to talk about and figure out with your brother-in-law. I’m sorry.
My brother-in-law had so many drugs, and he wasn’t even there. I’m just sitting and watching him breathe, but I’m still talking to him. Its’ still him, and why wouldn’t I? I just sat in silence most of the time because there’s not that much to say at that point. I’m saying a lot by going, I’m here.
The Power Of Therapy: How Conversations Can Lead To Self-Awareness
One thing I’ve learned about you, Eddie, and it’s an amazing thing to witness. It warms my heart every time I’m slapped in the face with the reality. The reality that is, there are few more other-focused individuals I’ve ever met than you. That’s true. Even in the conversations that we have privately, you’re as others-focused as anyone I’ve ever met.
The career that you’ve chosen, your marriage, for what I understand, your friend circle, how you treat people. Whether it’s a server, a Delta attendant, or anyone, you have an interesting way of recognizing individuals for who they are and acknowledging individuals. You have an awareness about yourself that is rare.
When I think of, why would I want to go to therapy? I would like to go to therapy because if I come out of therapy, however long it takes with a selfless heart to serve, kind, compassionate, and curious demeanor that puts me in a fearless state as I grab the hand of a dying man and sit for an hour, that’s an amazing legacy to this guy.
There was nothing in my mind about what to do. I do appreciate all the kind words. I can be a jerk too. I apologized to the gal behind the desk at the doctor’s office. I’d filled out all the forms that were on the portal. When she hands me a clipboard and I’m like, “I already filled all that out.” She goes, “I didn’t see these on the portal.” The last thing I wanted to do was sit there and fill out forms. I didn’t say anything mean, but I was a little snippy. Whatever it was. I went and sat down and I filled out the damn forms.
Anyway, when I left to check out, I had a piece of paper to give her and I said, “I want to apologize for being a little rude this morning. That was not nice. You don’t deserve that. You don’t have anything to do with that. I’m sorry.” She’s like, “No problem.” I was probably one of the nicest mean people to her. I had to do that. There was just no way I was going to walk out of there and not do that.
As I hear myself say that, back to the first part of our conversation, it’s not because of worrying about what she’s going to think of me. I don’t give a shit of what she thinks about me. It’s what I think about myself and how I feel about myself, about how I treat myself and other people. I don’t want to carry that with me knowing I was mean and I didn’t take that back. I’m not an angel.
I think you are.
To quote Greg Allman, “I’m no angel. I might steal your diamonds, but I’ll bring you back some gold.”
There you go. It’s the destination, not the journey. However, you made your way back to a very kind-hearted, others-focused way to end that interaction. You still got there. We talked about, at the top of the episode, awkward conversations. It led to mortality, one of the most uncomfortable conversations. We then got into shame. We talked about your revelation, which is, how much more beneficial would it be if we were able to have these conversations in a more open setting. That’s wishful thinking.
We can wish in one hand and shit in the other, but it’s not going to matter. The reality is, you can contact a therapist and have these conversations, discuss your stresses about money, debt, sex, your marriage, your relationships, the holidays, and your mortality. I can’t think of a better person to have these conversations with than a therapist. The hope being that after a period of time, you could come out of there with an awareness, a recognition, and an acknowledgment that wherever you stand, your point of Nick Saban, “Be where your feet are” is okay.
I have a bristle that it’s okay. Maybe it is or maybe it’s not. This is where I am in the moment, whatever that might be but that might not be okay with me. In the moment, I was being snippy to this woman, and I’m not okay with that. It’s okay to not be okay. A good bit of the time, you should not be okay with how you’re behaving or the way you’re being.
People use that term and that’s why I bristle at it to push things away. “That’s okay.” It’s not. Pay attention to it. Listen to it. It’s not okay. Usually, if you even say that, it’s because it’s not okay. Otherwise, why do you need me to say it? I do these shows, and we’ve talked about this before as we got started on this project.
I just want the things that we’re talking about out there. There’s not enough of it. There’s plenty of self-help books. There’s plenty of how-to things. In my opinion, most of it is crap. It’s just trying to make you feel better and not have you get deep, explore and plow into who it is you are, who it is you want to be, and how to overcome that. That’s not an easy sell.
Therapy is not an easy sell. It breaks my heart that therapists even exist. We shouldn’t need therapists. There should be plenty of people that know this, know to talk to, who care about you, and who would be glad to talk to you about it for free because they like you or care about you or they just like sharing information.
People can’t give that which they don’t have.
That’s exactly it, which is why I rail about therapists needing to go to therapy, because you got to go get it. I’ve spent a lot of money and time to learn these things. It’s tricky. It’s tricky to do this. It is a hard sell. It’s a hard sell to yourself to stay with it sometimes. Sometimes, I want to know. There’s some guy. I’ve heard it a number of times before or since, but don’t look for an easy life. Look for a hard life that you know how to navigate. Life is hard.
That’s the first tenet of Buddhism. Life is difficult. Don’t look for easy. Look for, how do I adapt, how do I learn, and how do I become. Those are difficult roads, but they are way easier than the roads of ignorance, not caring, and being mean and nasty. Those roads are way harder. I say that to my clients all the time. I give them an idea of where we’re going. They go, “That sounds hard.” I go, “Not nearly as hard as what you’re doing. That’s hard. It’s never going to get better. This will get better. It’s easier.” Go talk about dying and money and sex, and find out about that stuff.
This has been another episode, and we’re almost at the hour. That’s Eddie Reece and I’m Billy Courtright. This was, again, one of the more compelling conversations. It’s interesting, the way I perceive things in my limited view and what you’re able to share, having gone through this personally and professionally for the length of time that you have.
It’s interesting because, as our readers and viewers know, my role here is just to give a layperson’s perspective, a non-professional perspective. I’m not in therapy, folks. The idea that I have conversations with Eddie is representing those of you out there that are thinking, “Would this be helpful?” The questions that I ask are questions that I honestly have. They’re through the lens of this naive perspective as it is. It’s okay for me to be naive.
It’s not. It’s not okay.
It is.
I just established a new goal for these shows. At some point, you’re going to come in and say, “I’m in therapy now.”
You’re right. I will. I just don’t know if it’s going to be during or after this show series.
Sooner the better.
That’s right. You’re right. Everyone here, all our fans know, “Billy, you got to get in and let me know how it goes and who you’re seeing.”
We’ll poll all your friends and family.
They’ll be the first ones to tell you, “He needs to be in there. He’s dealing with more unresolved childhood trauma, daddy issues, and shame.”
It’s a unanimous decision. Boom.
This is fun. Hopefully, this was helpful. I won’t use okay anymore because that clearly gets under Eddie’s skin. As we’re doing this episode, it is mid-December. Happy holidays to you and yours. This will be released likely in January, and we’ll have a whole bunch of things to talk about subsequent to this episode. That’s Eddie and I’m Billy.
Bye, folks. Thanks, Billy.
My pleasure.
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